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How can we make schools more sustainable – in all senses of the word? How can school leaders promote a sustainable way of working? Make best use of our resources, in a way that’s good for people and the planet?

With fortnightly episodes, the Creating Value in School podcast is all about exploring these questions.

We interview guests and find out how they are contributing to making education settings more sustainable, for the benefit of learners, families and the community. 

The podcast is hosted and produced by Liz Worthen

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Enjoy reading as well as listening? You’ll find edited versions and extracts from the podcast over on the blog

22: What do we mean when we talk about sustainability?

What does it mean to work sustainably or build a more sustainable organisation? Is it all about the environment? Drawing on contributions from podcast guests, host Liz Worthen questions what we mean when we talk about sustainability. What are the ingredients for a sustainable organisation and development? What does that look like for schools and education settings? 

  • Listening time: 10 minutes
  • Guest contributors: Paul Edmond, John Viner, Benedicte Yue

21: Unbound SBLs: sector support and striving for excellence

Host Liz Worthen gets together with school business leadership champions Helen Burge and Emma Gray to find out what they’ve been up to this term. 

Questions arising include: 

  • Who’s responsible for income generation in a school setting?
  • Why does integrated curriculum finance planning (ICFP) matter?
  • Where can school business managers, leaders or professionals turn to for support?
  • How does standing in a corridor full of teenagers help restore your vitality?
  • What is operational excellence, and why do we need it? 
  • Why young people need trusted adults in their lives. 

Both Emma Gray and Helen Burge were executive business leaders in trusts, and now support school business professionals through coaching, training and consultancy. Emma is a DfE accredited school resource management advisor, and Helen co-chairs the UK Schools Sustainability Network Operations Group. They are fans of risk management, internal scrutiny and operational excellence. 

  • Listening time: 33 minutes

20: Surviving the intensity of school life: lessons from leaders

What enables people to keep calm and carry on in the overwhelming intensity of school life? What helps people keep going, avoid burnout, and stay focused on the things that matter? 

We draw on lessons learned by previous podcast guests. What keeps them energised? What keeps them going?

  • Start with your why.
  • Stay focused on your priorities.
  • Don’t sweat if it doesn’t all go to plan. Things will happen! 
  • Take opportunities for creative problem solving.
  • Remember to rest… and count the flowers.
  • Listening time: 12 minutes
  • Guest contributors: Paul K Ainsworth, Josephine Smith, Caroline Doherty, Nicola Harvey, Sean Harris

19: Know your place: how to tackle inequality in education

How do we tackle the impact of poverty and disadvantage in our schools? Is education alone enough to combat inequality? What does it mean to be furiously curious about the causes of inequality and what can we do about it? Are you ready to be a graceful disruptor?

Host Liz Worthen talks to Sean Harris, aka That Poverty Guy, about why place matters, life in the Tees Valley, what it means to be a civil architect in practice, and the importance of listening. If he had the ear of the education secretary, what would he ask for?

Sean Harris is Director of People, Learning and Community Engagement (PLACE) at Tees Valley Education. He’s also an author, researcher, That Poverty Guy on Substack, and furiously curious about tackling inequality. 

18. Let the children lead: growing greener schools and communities

‘Make sure that children are there leading on these projects. Because if they're leading, then they're more likely to want to carry it on and encourage teachers, the community and their families to get involved too.’

Edd Moore talks about his experience of inspiring pupils with eco-projects in schools, integrating learning into the curriculum, and engaging families and communities in the process. Questions addressed include:

  • How do you get started on the greener school journey?
  • Why does waste matter?
  • How do you get others on board?
  • How do you get from a school yard wildflower hunt to a regenerated community meadow?

Edd Moore is an eco-schools champion. As a teacher he led his primary school to a number of awards, including the Jane Goodall Roots and Shoots Educational Institution of the Year. Edd is the author of 100 Ideas for Primary Teachers: Greener School, and combines providing eco-support to schools with his role as Head of Education at Green Schools Project.

17. Keep sight of your North Star: navigating the school business landscape

‘So if school business professionals are engaged and supported to adapt, I truly believe that the role can become more impactful, more strategic, and better recognised.’

We chat with award-winning CFO Benedicte Yue about thriving in a tough funding climate. From making smarter financial decisions to empowering your team, harnessing tech, and driving real community impact, Benedicte shares practical strategies and big-picture inspiration for school leaders who want to do more than just survive.

‘All these operational functions are really enablers to achieve wider goals and we should never lose sight of the North Star.’

16. Food for thought

What’s the problem with free school meal funding? Where does your food come from, and where does it end up?

In this extract from our longer conversation, school business leaders Emma Gray and Helen Burge talk about why food is high on the school agenda, with challenges around:

  • funding for and access to free school meals
  • rising catering costs
  • food miles and sustainability
  • the financial and environmental cost of food waste.

 Top tip: whatever you do, do not put your food waste in the general waste bin!

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